"Dmitry Orlov: The Ukraine Conflict Just Took a TERRIFYING Turn!"
by Dmitry Orlov
Dialogue Works May 31, 2025)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71QSPPevzHU

Nima Alkorshid: ...

9:14 “… I think he {Elon Musk} managed to save something like 150 billion a year from federal expenditure. And then he saw Trump take that money that he saved and give it to the Pentagon. So, what good is that? And now Trump is now in favor of a deal with Congress that will basically raise the federal debt by over 3 trillion. They say it will take place over several years, many years, but no, I don’t think so. I think it’s going to just jump to that amount relatively quickly. …”

19:44 Dmitry Orlov: "… They [the Ukrainian negotiating team] don’t control those nazis. Keep in mind the previous time there was a negotiation between Russia and the Ukraine – Istanbul 1 which was cancelled by Boris Johnson – one of the people in the Ukrainian delegation got shot in the middle of the street in Kiev. So, they are a bunch of nazis that nobody controls. Maybe the CIA controls them. Who knows? In Kiev making death threats against anybody who tries to achieve peace or even says that they’re trying to achieve peace, they’re out-of-control. Now, what is the point of negotiating a peace agreement with people who do not control the situation in what is left of Ukraine? There is no point at all."

20:45 “So, I think that this is just, you know, some exercise in public relations. It’s not really an exercise in diplomacy. This is all to present some sort of picture for the media and maybe to keep channels of communication open for when the time comes to capitulate. And I think that’s all that’s going on.”

“As far as ongoing negotiations, I think it was Keith Kellogg who said that the next round of negotiations is ready and will take place in Geneva. Who the hell asked him that? And, secondly, is Switzerland suddenly neutral again? It hasn’t been for a while. It voted for anti-Russian sanctions. Not a place for holding those negotiations. Istanbul is more likely. But the question is, after these death threats, why would Russians participate? Clearly the Ukrainians are not competent to engage in such negotiations. Plus, who would sign the agreement if an agreement were actually completed and negotiated? There is no one in legitimate constitutional authority in Kiev. Not the President. Not the Parliament. Nobody. So, there’s nobody to sign a peace agreement. But you can get anybody or their dog to sign a capitulation agreement and then shoot them, you know. That’s fine. There’s precedent for that.” Nima Alkorshid: [paraphrase: Who is really running the show in Ukraine? Surely not Donald Trump."]

23:34 Dmitry Orlov: "Well, you have NATO falling apart. That’s kind of the important thing." …

[25:04] So what usually happens when external influences such as the Soviet Union, such as the United States are withdrawn from the European subcontinent is that the little European countries, little national states, nation states they start going back going to war with each other. England and France had been at war with each other for 200 years. It’s just non-stop war. And the last 80 years has been an aberration because Europe has been for most of that time, well, for half of that time, was divided between a Soviet sphere and an American sphere. And the Soviets and the Americans didn’t want to start a war with each other because it would be suicidal.”

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[28:13] “But I don’t think that that’s going to go very far either. So, it seems like Europe would need to go to war against itself, but doesn’t really have what it takes anymore. It’s just so anemic. You know, it’s like a fight in an old-folks home where they throw plates of porridge at each other. It just doesn’t seem that they have what it takes to actually fight a war with each other either.”

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[30:38] What they [the UK] are really expert at is getting different people to fight each other, different nations. They’re really good at stirring up trouble. … so they can stand back and laugh, and maybe profit. . . .

[36:00] Drones sent to attack Ukrainian miliary and manufacturing facilities

[38:00] . . . to really end this war requires a civil war in Ukraine

[39:19] US military can’t exist without importing parts from China. No military-industrial complex to keep things going. ‘Don’t raise prices’ was Trum’s solution to Wal-Mart losing its supply of products from China.

[44:37[ “More sanctions please. That’s the message from Russia.”

[50:08] Golden Dome a payback system …

[52:00] "The Trump presidency about over already. Donald Trump will keep making money for himself and his cronies until they all get pardons which has become something of a tradition in Washington D.C."

[54:55] He was really talking about taking lots of money from these rich gulf states because they have lots of Federal Reserve notes, lots of Treasuries. They want to dump those, because the dollar is going down down down. What Trump wanted to do was to get Arabs to buy American stuff, whatever it is. You know: Buy American Artificial Intelligence. Buy American whatever. It doesn’t matter. Just so there is something American to soak up all that money. Because otherwise, the dollar would just continue dropping. And that was partially announced. I think he got, like, plans for what to do with a trillion or two of Arab money. But the dollar is still sinking. So maybe it isn’t working.

[55:49] As far as war, again, you know, Trump is not about war. Trump is about money. He’s a businessman. So, he understands that he has to sell stuff to the Arabs. I think he sold them a Trump Tower, maybe two. That’s a big deal for him. As far as war with whatever, with Yemen, well, the way that went is it’s a huge humiliation for the United States. So, they’re trying not to talk about it. The deal was: 'OK, Yemenis, we’ll stop bombing you if you stop sinking our ships. Is that OK?' And the Yemenis are like: ‘Yeah, OK. We actually don’t care. We care about stopping the flow of goods to Israel.’ And the Americans, who initially dove into the fray to open up the flow of goods to Israel were like: ‘We’re not going to talk about Israel anymore. OK, we’re upset.’ And so that’s basically it. That’s the situation.”

[58:00] The difference between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0 has to do with the coming exhaustion of unprofitable shale oil business.

" ... "That Klondike has run its course." ...